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Tam's avatar
Mar 7Edited

I am a Christian. I don't think ordo amoris is quite right. I do entertain the possibility that God has put people in my path in order for me to help them, so for example when a lady asks me for a ride home from Church, I don't think, "Oh, no, I should take the $0.35 this ride will cost me and send it to an effective charity instead" - although partly that's of course because I wouldn't do it. And I do donate some locally (and give to people who ask me) even though my money could do more good overseas.

Re: alcohol, I like the Chesterston story where a man on the street asked him for money and he gave it. When Chesterton's friend said, "You know he's just going to spend it on drink," Chesterton replied, "Well that's all I was going to do with it!"

Yes, being truly good is frightening. I also think it's required of me and will eventually be enforced, so that's fun. I make more than the medium income where I live, and I donate money, but not so much that I go down to even the median (much less into actual poverty). What's my excuse for that? Absolutely nothing. Surely my duty to care for myself doesn't require me to buy a lot of the things I want and go on vacations while children die of preventable malaria. One can't really imagine looking God in the face and saying, "I figured 10% was adequate and I could just enjoy the rest of this." And yet here we are. There's nothing to be done except to continue to try, or at least, to try to try, or to try to want to try.

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I don't think this is as charitable as one might aspire to.

Just from what you posted in parts I and II, the "ordo amoris" argument was raised specifically relating to immigration, you pivoted that to the relatively unrelated PEPFAR argument, mostly I imagine because "ordo amoris" is easy to defend in immigration scenarios and difficult to defend in childhood AIDs cases.

From what I can see, Trump's team have granted a waiver for PEPFAR and intend to allow it to continue, the primary concern is all the chaos and disruption this caused. (1) That's unfortunate, sincerely, but we're not in a situation where good faith governance is possible by either party. They uncovered plenty of...uncomfortable stuff in USAID, certainly from their perspective. How would you have preferred them to do this?

Maybe I'm missing something. I certainly haven't studied this closely. But:

If this argument is made on immigration grounds, is it nearly as strong?

If this argument is made on PEPFAR grounds, what more can you reasonably ask for in an extremely low-trust political and governance situation other than the administration to grant a waiver and try to secure PEPFAR, which, as far as I can tell, they did?

(1) https://www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com/view/trump-administration-throws-u-s-aids-support-into-turmoil

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